Perkasa chief Ibrahim Ali says he has had enough of Malays being “trodden and spat on” by “ungrateful Christians” and wants the government to ban Malay bibles in retaliation
SHAH ALAM: Prime Minister Najib Tun Razak should ban the Malay bible the al-Kitab from Malaysia in retaliation for the Christian community’s “ingratitude”, right-wing Malay group Perkasa urged last night.
“We have been compromising, we have given them leeway. They wanted the Malay Bible, we allowed them to have it… they were still not satisfied,” said its chief Ibrahim Ali said at the Perkasa Selangor Conference 2013 here.
“It is better that we urge the government and the prime minister to rescind its decision to allow Malay bibles in Malaysia!,” he said to loud applause and roars of approval from the audience of about 500 of its members.
The Perkasa chief was responding to the Catholic Church’s recent announcement that it would not give up its struggle for the rights to use the Arabic word ‘Allah’ in its weekly publication, The Herald.
This was after the Court of Appeal unanimously ruled on Monday that The Herald could not use the word ‘Allah’ on the basis that the word was “not integral” to the Christian faith.
Amid the backlash, ministers were quick to explain that the ban applied to The Herald alone, and not other Christian publications, including the al-Kitab, as per the Cabinet’s 2011 decision – a decision that Ibrahim wanted amended.
“How long are we going to compromise, to give in? We have been trodden on, spat on but we would have been fine with that if they were grateful for our compromises. But they aren’t!” said Ibrahim.
‘Christianity a religion without a name of God’
Clearly in his element, Ibrahim resorted to name-calling, declaring DAP secretary-general Lim Guan Eng a “pig” for declaring that he would continue to fight for Christians’ right to use the word ‘Allah’.
He also took a swipe at Christianity, saying that it was “a religion without a name of God.”“Christianity is not a new religion – it has been around for hundreds of years. But apparently even up to today, it has no name for its God,” he said, to loud laughter from the audience.
“They insist on using the word ‘Allah’ because there is no other name for their God,” he mocked, adding that the actions of Christian leaders, pastors and the archbishop “puzzled” him.
Christian leaders as well as Muslim scholars such as former Perlis mufti Dr Asri Zainul Abidin have argued that the word “Allah” predates Islam, and is not exclusive to Muslims.
The tussle over the word is also unique to Malaysia as in Arab countries, non-Muslims are free to use the word.
The Kuala Lumpur High Court’s 2009 ruling that ‘Allah’ was not exclusive to Islam – a ruling overturned on Monday – had sparked protests and attacks on Christian houses of worship.
Do not allow Bahasa Malaysia to be used in Christianity . make it illegal , insist on that, then no need to ban any books, problem solved.
Or make it compulsory that Christians must learn English. In Malaysia, set laws that only English allowed to be used in Christianity.
Ban non Christians from using christian names..that will instantly get you millions of Malaysians in support of what a clever suggestion it is. Makes sense that only Christians are allowed to have a christian prefix to their familly names.So disallow it and those wo have it must show their ICs to prove that they are indeed Christians as their names suggest , other wise they have been proselytized.
Good grief. maybe the illegal proselytizing law should be extended to include other non christians non muslims as well..make it a national law. that only christians can go to church and practice their faith..you will have the eternal gratitude of the non christians and non muslims religious community leaders because they may bleed their followers to the christians if they are proselytized.
The christians can be very convincing that it even scares the muslims just how persuasive they can be in converting others into Christianity.
Make sure all incoming Christians flying in to Malaysia has a leaflet ( similar to the trafficking drugs message in airplanes) that says, please refrain from using the word Allah if you are an Arabic speaking Christian.. Its illegal to use the word in Malaysia unless you are a muslim.
But if you are non english speaking Indonesian Christian. please refrain from praying to God out loud in west Malaysia, because the term Allah is not allowed to be used in bahasa unless referring to only the Islamic God..
Yup , think these may work..!
On second thought, well , since we are on a roll, yeah, why not Ban the malay speaking Christians from being Christians.! Or ban bahasa speaking Christians from churches then nobody will be able to use the word Allah, completely eradicating the problem..
What say you Perkasa or Ibrahim Ali? Don’t all the suggestions make Sooo much brilliant illogical sense ?
Many Malaysians do not see that this is not merely quarelling over a term to refer to God..
It is also about preserving and protecting the sanctity of our constitution that guaranteed us the right to religious freedom without being dictated to, on how and what we can/cannot do to practice our faiths, within reason of course.
Jus coz some NGOs make demands n try to intimidate the others to obediently fall in line .
If we do not draw the line , the excesses can insidiously creep into our society and psyche un-noticed till it is too late and too much ground have been given, just because noone took things seriously , thinking that they were too petty and there are more urgent priorities in their lives, like earning a living, and be a good neighbour and citizen. .and good inter communal relations.
How much more can we minorities afford to compromise then realise much later we have been shackled, in mind and environment.
Our little bits of freedom and peace of mind compromised.. Be it in our kids freedom of religion , right to good education , prospects for self-advancement, restricted because we did not want to react despite seeing it coming a mile away..
This is not really about a word, it is about the sanctity of the constitution and freedom to practice our own religion without being arbitrarily told what we can n cannot do to worship God..
If the minority communities allow themselves to be easily cowed n intimidated just coz some NGOs make a big stink.
Come on… surely us malaysians have the discerment to think for ourselves what is right n wrong n where the limits are, in terms of religious beliefs.
For those who still think that this is merely a petty bickering over a term to refer to God,and is blown out of proportion, well , i d say it is getting out of hand with dangerous statements like the above.
Essentially Ibrahim Ali or Perkasa , is mocking Christianity ,insulting the Christians , making derogatory jokes about the religion.. calling the CM of Penang names for defending the Allah issue in favor of the Christians.
And what is galling is , for sure everyone suspects he will get away with it. we know that, he knows that.the whole country thinks that,
What manner of society or Goverment condones such blatant offensive behaviour viciously mocking the Malaysian Christians just because it is politically expedient to do so?
Because they are reluctant to risk the wrath of the marjority malay/muslims if they should decide to do the right thing , which will be very unpopular with their core voter bank of supporters. Ethics and morality means nothing and is out the window usually when it involves political decisions in Malaysia .
This instance, it is highly likely that the label ” NFA” No further Action applies because it just hurts the feelings of a small minority community not the marjority.
Imagine if another NGO leader was talking about Islam in this tone and attitude.
Instantly They will be hauled up and hung out to dry for insulting Islam. It is the politically correct thing to do.
The political cynicism and hypocrisy in our country is approaching shocking levels.
Even a person like Ibrahim Ali, if un-checked , un opposed nor chastised , just how far will he be allowed to go..if he thinks it is a smooth passage.
Read his “remarks… the contemptuous arrogance in the tone. Like the minority communities owe him or UMNO for they have been rewarding the minorities the crumbs , but now want to collect interests from the handouts but having a hard time collecting so he is like a “Ah Long” debt collector, making threats..
Soft individual indignant voices from each of us, collectively is a fierce and loud roar. That may prompt them to sit up and pay attention.. Cannot rely on the opposition or NGOs all the time to protest on our behalf, some times we can take a small initiative and see where it will lead.
For those who still think that this is just a petty issue…and wax philosophical about it..adopting the classic malaise-ian “tidak apa la ” stance. let them bicker, won’t personally affect me..well at least read between the lines to his “remarks…
the Hitler-ish or Kim Joung Un-ish attitude displaying arrogance and fanatical tone of supremacy in the “WEs” .. WE this WE that , WE allow, WE compromised .. as if they own the country and can arbitrarily dictate terms the way they see fit. “WE” tell you what to do, WE tell you how to practice your faith, WE decide what you can and cannot do , WE decide everything, WE are like GOD all powerful..WE give and WE can take away.. …”jangan kurang ajar dengan Tuan kamu”
(It seems so much like a statement straight out of North Korea)
Obnoxious , Arrogant but most of all” IGNORANT” is how the statements come off as..this is what happens when there is a total lack of understanding and knowledge about a minority community and their faith. Peninsular muslims have no clue at all how christians practice their faith, esp in bahasa.Muslims just go to the mosque for worship and devotion but how often do they visit churches to see how christians worship, esp in Bahasa.NEVER.
I wonder what the muslims will think after they emerged from attending to observe any Bahasa church services in the peninsular for the Bahasa speaking christians?
In the english and chinese services, Allah is not used because there are direct translations and chinese version of GOD, but none in Bahasa so both Tuhan and Allah is used, both term have different connotations , one means Lord and other is GOD , both terms very commonly used among the Bahasa speaking christian community in peninsular churches.Not only in printed publications or digital media..
,ie Jesus is the Lord ,our GOD..translated –. Yesus ialah Tuhan , Allah kita.
Been used for many Years in peninsular and had never been an issue till now..
And the call to demand that this spiritual reference is banned and Christians mindsets be changed overnight.?
Bear in mind that ” Allah” is a term that is as Exalted , Holy , Reverent a term for the Bahasa speaking Christians in reference to God as it is to the Muslims.
muslims shud see for themselves or at least make an effort to be informed on how Malaysian Churches conduct Bahasa services ..
Even English speaking christians ,not all are familiar with the Christian terms and lingo in Bahasa , much less malaysian muslims who don’t even know what happens in a church.
Some church leaders shud take the initiative and invite some Muslim counterparts as their guest in church to observe how Christian services are conducted ,esp in Bahasa, and vice versa..
( i am sure it will not be seen as proselytizing , but to foster better mutual understanding of each other’s faith)
We are not picking quarrels either with our close friends across the ethnic divide, We can still enjoy each others friendship and interact freely in personal ,social,commercial dealings. This has nothing at all to do with us as a society..Life goes on.
Just certain quarters and Govermental policies that rubs us the wrong way. There are not many hateful bigoted villains actually, although they exist in , as individuals , many of the supposed bigots may turn out to surprisingly decent people but have to be conformist to collective views because when idealogy gets in the way, People get ugly especially when greed and ambition rears its head in temptation.
Many of us interact across the ethnicities on a daily basis, and can testify that, all their friends are not at all like the personalities in the media or descriptions of the inter racial relationships.
In real life , we do not even feel or notice anything out of the ordinary but we just see people just like ourselves , nothing stands out,
If there is racism according to some in the Goverment. or private sector that keeps harping on it. Many of us don’t see or feel it. It is a fantasy bogeyman, hardly exist except in the minds of the bigoted mindsets. or , except in rare circumstances, places or by intentional design.
Not only Christians and non muslims , international media criticise the Allah ruling in Malaysia.
An extract from the
EDITORIAL : The Hajj sermon
Hajj this year ended on a sad note when the Grand Mufti in his annual sermon at Arafat reminded the 1.6 billion Muslims present about the divisions, chaos and schisms that have destroyed the fabric of Islam, leaving it tattered, frayed and in bad taste.
Mufti Abdul Aziz al Sheikh said that there is no salvation for Muslim nations without adhering to the teachings of Islam, without elaborating that there is no compulsion in faith, and that we are responsible for our own deeds.
The most we are allowed is to pass on the message of Islam, but it is not for us to force others to follow.
The problem with practicing Muslims today is that they treat Islam like an insecure entity that needs care, due attention and a special shelter lest it gets smeared and nullified.
The recent example of this attitude is displayed in Malaysia where the government has gone so far as proscribing Christians from using Allah as their God’s name.
Who has given Muslims the liberty to copyright the name of Allah? It is His name, and He is the God of the universe, as He has said in the scriptures.
There is no religion that does not believe in the existence of God. Why are we trying to deny people owning God in all His attributes? Is this how piety in Islam is preserved or managed?
In fact being Muslim is no guarantee that we have reached that threshold. Is this what the glory of Islam had been all about, something that we want to revert to and long for?
With retrogressive steps such as prohibiting Christians from using the name of Allah or destroying churches.
. Islam’s glory lies in its spirit of tolerance, sacrifice, patience, devotion and simplicity. The message of Hajj is an embodiment of all these attributes that Abraham and every prophet that followed him practiced and left behind for the people to cherish and follow.
The Hajj sermon just managed to come off with an impression that Muslims don’t practice what they say. Deeds do not match words.
sourced : Full draft : http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2013\10\16\story_16-10-2013_pg3_1